First off: this is not addressed to anyone on dead/livejournal, so don't freak out. But I am REALLY frustrated at people with serious insecurity issues who react to it by taking it out on others to feel superior again - or more like it, arrogant. And if I fall into this category, *please* tell me (I don't think I do, but just in case), because I'm beginning to see how much it can get on people's nerves. And hurt people. It's just an all-around bad thing.
*different topic* (By the way, folks, if you're not Katya, feel free to skip this part.) And Katya - I know, punishment on me for continuing this discussion, but the fact that it lowered my integrity in your eyes makes me feel that I did not explain myself sufficiently. I think it is wrong to kill animals to use them for science. I think it is WRONG. I also still think it is necessary to practice surgical procedures on actual tissue, but that does not require killing an animal for that purpose - plenty of people donate their bodies or pets' bodies to science after natural death. Again, I think it is wrong to kill animals for that purpose. I agree that for a high school anatomy class, models would work just as well.
HOWEVER, there are a lot of other things I find wrong in this world, and in my moral conscience there are a lot that are more morally wrong and require more immediate attention and fixing than killing animals for science. That one is high on my list, but not high enough for me to be frustrated about at this point in my life. As well, given my current position as a student, I feel that my being upset about it and voicing my opinion would do no good in getting it abolished - it would just reinforce the stereotype in the scientific community (I realize I'm generalizing here, so don't call me out on it) that people against euthanizing/testing/essentially torturing animals for the sake of science are naive, uninformed, and feel-good animal supporters who are not concerned with the important issues in the world. This stereotype exists, and I do not feel I can express my opinions in a way that does not add to it. I am, after all, only a high school senior. That does not give my claim much weight, regardless of any amount of information I have collected on the subject.
I agree that treating animals more ethically is needed, and that just because humans are "messed up" is no excuse for continuing this treatment. I advocate this when I feel it can make a difference, but I am FAR more concerned with other issues - it's a long list that I won't put here. After all, if these other issues aren't dealt with in a timely manner, there may not be any humans or animals left to treat ethically in the future (worst case scenario). My personal opinion is that if the bigger issues are dealt with, the smaller ones can be dealt with more effectively. I suppose my point is that I don't think animal ethics is a small issue, but SMALLER. Not low on the list, but below others. If *that* is what my loss of integrity was about, I'm okay with that. I understand that you and I have different priorities and accept this; it would be awfully dull if our priorities were identical. But if my loss of integrity was for not caring about animals or standing up for what I believe in, THAT I take issue with. I admit I stated my case poorly today, and I apologize if I wasn't clear.
Anyway, I would appreciate it greatly if you'd tell me for what I lost integrity, as that is a pretty big offense in my book. I wouldn't have minded as much if you were not pleased with, say, my actions, my lifestyle choices, my beliefs, etc., but integrity is a wide-reaching thing that I was *pretty* sure I had and was correct in. If I am incorrect, I am happy to learn and be corrected. If our opinions are really THAT MUCH DIFFERENT upon this subject, I would like to talk about it and figure out why. It honestly surprised me that you reacted so intensely, which tells me this is something that needs to be talked about. For future reference, if someone walks away from me in the middle of a discussion, I am far more likely to bring it up again than if they say, "I really don't think this is worth talking about" instead of walking away. I'm not going to lie to you, as that does no good - I was offended that you walked away. This is why I am pursuing this topic - I felt that you were very offended, which offended me, as I felt I had not expressed an opinion so VERY bad. If this is a topic that falls in the category of "we aren't going to go there" like... well, I was going to say "God," but that doesn't really work, as I've expressed my religious opinions/beliefs around you before. So I suppose I was offended in addition because this would be the first thing in that category between us. We've expressed different opinions before and it's never been a problem, which is why I suppose it surprised me that much that this was. Because, honestly, I feel we've talked about more controversial and important things than this before and never seriously argued yet, even when of different minds.
I don't know. It just really caught me off guard and hurt me a little (I'm not sitting here holding my bleeding heart or anything, but I was offended), and I feel this needs to be talked about. If this does, indeed, fall in the hands-off category of topics, that's OK - just let me know. I will let it go if it is really that offensive. Ah! Found an example. Kind of like veganism and Rose: I stated my opinion on veganism once, learned it was hands-off, and backed off. Haven't said anything since. I will do that if necessary.
Huah. Anyway, I'm glad my knees have started working for volleyball so my teammates don't get as frustrated with me when I can't dive for the ball. And I don't know if I *really* want to take Advanced Photo next semester, as I like photography but it's not my favorite art form. Who is actually taking it?
And that whole thing in French about "schmuck" was hilarious! I'm totally going to use that in an email to my Yiddish-speaking grandma and see what she says!
And the French guy (Samuel) is 21 and has a girlfriend back in France. Just thought I should say that so no one gets their hopes up! ;)